Examples include lying to protect a murderer's intended victim and lying to save oneself from death or serious injury. by Ceisiwr » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:39 am, Post Open menu. Quotes About the Consequences of Lying and Cheating 20. Karma, then, describes how our actions evolve into experience, internally and externally. Within the Buddhist doctrine, they are meant to develop mind and character to make progress on the path to enlightenment. Lying is one of the worst things you can do to yourself. I don’t know where to begin because it would require pages to describe a 6 year relationship to a 6 minute break-up conversation I will summarize t... Please consider upgrading your browser software or enabling style sheets (CSS) if you are able to do so. He is protecting himself and the women he has feelings for. This means that the law of karma differs from the causal account of human action, according to which an action has consequences simply because some action has been performed, irrespective of … One anticipates the unpleasant consequences of reciprocal lying. by Akashad » Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:01 pm, Post Found insideJust like everything and everyone else in my life, it was all temporary, all a lie. I guess I wasn't good enough ... I was finally ready to accept the karmic consequences of my actions for all of these years. Stealing from people. Lying ... In Karma Yoga it is important to prioritize your duties; ... For example, let’s say you are ill and lying in bed. Different theories of ethics approach lying in different ways. The inevitability of karmic consequences is a large part of the way that traditional Buddhism has presented its ethical teachings. What moral justifications are there for telling this lie - and what counter-arguments can be raised against those justifications? One executive observed to this writer that a useful test for the justifiability of an action that he was uncertain about was to imagine what the press would write afterwards if they discovered what he had done and compared it to what he had said in advance. A Buddhist discussion forum on the Dhamma of Theravāda Buddhism, Post Health professionals have to reconcile the general presumption against telling lies with these other principles of medical ethics. https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... ml#iti-025, https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/aut ... d.html#ch4, http://pintojukjun.blogspot.com/2011/09 ... QSYchYzZnI, https://soundcloud.com/doodoot/paticcasamuppada, https://soundcloud.com/doodoot/anapanasati, https://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dha ... index.html, https://suttacentral.net/an8.40/en/sujato. Found inside... tanha, and lies in our dissatisfaction with imperfection, in our desire for things to be other than they are. What is more, this dissatisfaction leads to actions and karmic consequences that prolong the cycle of rebirths and may ... Some philosophers, most famously the German Immanuel Kant (1724-1804), believed that that lying was always wrong. Deontologists base their moral thinking on general universal laws, and not on the results of particular acts. Sorry, I don't have time now to find the sutta references for the below. In Buddhism, Karma is cause and effect, or reaction and action. Measure content performance. Advertisements. The worst form of lying, however, is when the liar really wants the lie to be the truth, so ultimately they lie to themselves because they can’t face reality. Delivering America's Cursed Karmic Consequences. It is always just a matter of time. Rather than throw them away, I asked some lady if she wanted them (free, of course). A power which allowed for a powerful spiritual entity to see the changes in another person's spirit, and read in it the emotional changes, as well as pry into that person's honesty. With serious lies it can be because there is a serious threat of significant damage if the lie is ever discovered, like the loss of a job, a relationship, or a reputation. Found inside – Page 12... in the organs which duly fall ill, leading to the karmic consequences of sickness, misfortune, and eventually death. ... and honesty to prevent lying and cheating in every form (spleen).12 Ideally all virtues should be practiced ... Found insideOne can also intensify the karmic consequences of one's actions, for good and for ill, by undertaking vows, ... and vowing to refrain from non-virtuous actions such as killing, lying, stealing, unchastity, and becoming intoxicated. It's certainly not foolproof, but it may be helpful. Found inside – Page 197holy cunning " may involve adopting objectionable modes of livelihood , lying and harsh speech , stealing ( to ... both to protect the Buddhist teaching and to save them from the negative karmic consequences of continuing to attack it . In practice, most people would regard this as a very legalistic and 'small print' sort of argument and not think it much of a justification for telling lies, except in certain extreme cases that can probably be justified on other grounds. Since God was believed to know every thought, God would hear the mental reservation as well as the public statement and therefore would not have been lied to. Incidentally the Ethics web team disagreed amongst themselves as to the status of lies that don't deceive - your thoughts are very welcome. That is amazing. Found inside – Page 3A slip of the tongue is not, for instance, as karmically consequential as willfully lying or intentionally hiding the ... karmic consequences from an earlier birth could override the virtuous deeds performed in a person's present life. the effect of the effect of karma: you will disgrace yourself in the eyes of others. Found inside – Page 135The tongue is used to lie, so the tongue is the focus of the punishment, which is made as gruesome as possible. ... The grim, relentless onslaught of the sūtra's account of the karmic consequences of murder is well suited to induce a ... What I have experienced is that karma always comes back 10-fold. Sisella Bok, author of a major philosophical book on the subject of lying, defines a lie as: an intentionally deceptive message in the form of a statement. A white lie is a lie that is not intended to harm the person being lied to - indeed it's often intended to benefit them by making them feel good, or preventing their feelings being hurt. it reduces society's general respect for truth; but there are some cases - white lies or mercy lies - where it may be OK to tell lies. J Chiappalone My Motto - Take It Or Leave it 2-6-19. Scholars have generally agreed that the earliest formulation of the Karma doctrine occurs in the Brhadaranyaka, … To realize truth our whole being has to be brought into accord with actuality. This applies to monks and religious leaders too. https://dhivanthomasjones.wordpress.com/2014/02/05/two-meanings-of-karma By harming others (unwholesome action / akusala kamma) you will feel stress afterwards which is dukha. Are you someone who believes everything is based on fate, or the development of events beyond a person’s control, regarded as determined by a supernatural power? The best way to liberate yourself from the weight of this action is to tell the truth to the concerned person, saying: Diear friend, i'am sorry, i was affraid about bad consequances for me when you asked this question, so i was in panic and tell a lie. They don’t want to disappoint you or let you down, make you angry or hurt you. Kushandwizdom Quote Lies Quotes Liar Quotes Karma Quotes. This definition covers ordinary cases of lying and these two odd cases as well: Some philosophers believe that lying requires a statement of some sort; they say that the liar must actually speak or write or gesture. Found inside – Page 129I free myself of karmic consequences. ... We see people around us lying, cheating, stealing, backbiting, and unjustly attacking others. ... When no one's looking, we think we can lie, steal, or deceive, and get away with. Guess what? There are karmic consequences to breaking the precepts. This argument would seem to teach that it's not an unethical lie to tell a mugger that you have no money (although it is a very unwise thing to do), and it is not an unethical lie to tell a death squad that you don't know where their potential victim is hiding. So does lying, stealing, hurting others with your words, ….. We are all imperfect beings. So, by lying you just create more bad karma for yourself. If an employee presents fake documents which supports made-up credentials or degrees, they can be charged with fraud. Every liar says the opposite of what he thinks in his heart, with purpose to deceive. Summary. What are these five characteristics? Lies obviously hurt the person who is lied to (most of the time), but they can also hurt the liar, and society in general. It also declares that as a man is ‘constituted’ by his desires, he is born in the other world with reference to these. You have to remember who you told what to and worse, live your life hoping that it never gets found out. An example of this is a negotiation in which both parties will lie to each other ('that's my best price', 'I'll have to leave it then') in a way that everyone involved understands. When lies are bold it is even more problematic purely because they generate a greater height to fall from. Understanding this, we can naturally see that actions that produce beneficial consequences are just as “karmic” as actions that produce harm. Others stretch the definition to include doing nothing in response to a question, knowing that this will deceive the questioner. And how do we learn to stop and tell the truth? Caution: Potpourri ahead! What would a public jury of reasonable persons say about this lie? Cheating is just one of many things we do to cause harm. Lying to someone is not treating them as an end in themselves, but merely as a means for the liar to get what they want. If someone lies to you, are you entitled to lie to them in return? There is also evidence that patients do better after treatment if they have a full understanding of both the treatment and the illness, and have been allowed to take some participation and control of the course of their treatment. The author presents the arguments of Augustine and Kant for thinking that lying is always wrong no matter what. To put it another way, what goes around comes around. July 2006 edited July 2006. The word Karma has sometimes been understood in a way that scares a lot of people. (But this lie does do some harm - the hostess may feel encouraged to make that dish again, and so future guests will have to suffer from it.). by Akashad » Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:39 am, Post Denying your advancing years, even lying about your age, is a typical response to this. My eyes were bigger than my stomach and I didn’t touch my fries. Jokes: 'there was an Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman', Unpredictable situations: 'it won't rain today', Sporting tips: 'Pegleg is unbeatable in the 3:30 race', Conjuring tricks: 'There's nothing up my sleeve', they are not intended to harm the person lied to, they are not intended to harm anyone else, they don't actually harm anyone (or only do trivial harm), the lie is about something morally trivial, they aren't told so often that they devalue what you say, the person being lied to is deprived of information that they might find useful even if they found it unpleasant, the person telling the lies may find it easier to lie in future and they may come to blur the boundary between white lies and more blameworthy lies, Respect for autonomy: acknowledging that patients can make decisions and giving them the information they need to make sensible and informed choices, Doing no harm: doing the minimum harm possible to the patient, Beneficence: balancing the risks, costs and benefits of medical action so as to produce the best result for the patient, Justice: using limited medical resources fairly, legally and in accordance with human rights principles, Lying may be good therapy: the doctor may believe that the patient should only be given information that will help their treatment, Lying deprives the patient of the chance to decide whether they want the treatment - highly intrusive treatment near the end of life may prolong life, but at greatly reduced quality, and the patient, if properly informed, might decline such treatment, The truth may harm the patient: a patient may, for example, give up hope, go into a decline or suffer a heart attack if given a depressing diagnosis and prognosis - they may even choose to kill themselves, Such information should be given in a way that minimizes harm -- the patient should be appropriately prepared to receive the information and given proper support after being given bad news, Surveys suggest that patients don't in general go into a severe decline or choose to kill themselves, Respect for autonomy requires the patient to be given the chance to consider all legal courses of action, no matter how undesirable other people may think they are, Lying deprives the patient of the opportunity to take meaningful decisions about their life, based on accurate medical information, The patient may realise that the symptoms they experience and the way their disease progresses don't fit what they have been told. Just some food for thought. If someone commits a serious crime like murdering someone, there is a karmic consequence. Taking a life is always an infringement of someone else’s free will. From a spiritual point of view, when a soul has misused his free will by infringing that of another, the soul has to repair the damage not only to the other, but also to his own soul. Don’t let this be you. (Amusavada:) A person gives up false speech, strictly abstains from false speech, speaks only the truth, protects honesty, is secure in his words, is believable, and has no intention to deceive the world. Found inside – Page 73consequences although they can perform some sorts of protointentional and thus dispositional - karmic actions . Thus , animals , gods or other beings are karmic ... Let us say , for instance , that a person tells a lie intentionally . It isn’t better or worse than the others. And by lying you don't dodge the bad karma that is created by their deaths because it's not your fault in the first place that they died. Metta Mr. Fell. In contrast, a dutybased ethicist would argue that, even if lying has the better consequences, it is still morally wrong to lie. By doing this the soul will gain the freedom to actualize its creative potential and realize the goals it feels attracted to at the moment. Lying can destroy relationships and deeply hurt the people that we love. Recognize situations that are often believed to produce negative karma, but usually do not: Making, … Sissela Bok says that this device is recommended to doctors by one textbook. The number one symbolizes beginning, while the number nine symbolizes end. Kind regards. The Dutch philosopher and lawyer Hugo Grotius (1583-1645) taught that a lie is not really wrong if the person being lied to has no right to the truth. By thinking, speaking and acting wisely (so as to reduce suffering) we cause effects that produce happiness; by thinking, speaking and acting unwisely (so as to produce suffering) we cause effects that produce unhappiness. But why is it that so many people lie? The result of false speech of those who are humans that is lighter than the (above) results is the one that leads to false claims of ownership (regarding ones possessions). It is said that in the course of his long training for enlightenment over many lives, a bodhisatta can break all the moral precepts except the pledge to speak the truth. Self-actualized adults understand this. Not necessarily. People lie for all sorts of reasons, some good (in the situation at hand), some malicious. Karma is about intentional cruelty: if... He said this tongue (pointing to his own) has never told a lie. Xiao has battled his karma, and evil for millennia. is that the liar believes it actually does matter. Found inside – Page 183He feared the karmic consequences of lying. This “bushy undergrowth” of Bou Meng's understanding of the world and testifying in court, one in which Buddhism and animism were both highly salient, erupted for a moment in the “iron genie” ... Perhaps you got lucky in a way and your negative feelings about it are the result of the kamma and so it’s worn out? You should rest so you get better soon but late in the night, you get a call from a friend saying he feels lonely and he wants your company. Human behaviour suggests that we do feel less obliged to be truthful to liars than to people who deal with us honestly. by Akashad » Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:45 am, Post Jerbear wrote: How do you tell if it's karmic consequences or just what life has dealt you? They then experience all the bad consequences of being lied to, Surveys suggest that the majority of patients want to be told the truth, even if it's bad, The patient won't properly understand the truth, It's the duty of the professional to communicate the truth in a way that each particular patient can understand, and to check that they really have understood it. • The relationship has spun out of control and I don’t know what to do • The relationship may be over. Found inside – Page 27In the first article in the series, the writer grappled with different types of duties regarding telling the truth, reflecting on the karmic consequences of lying: So, though lying may not be immediately detrimental in any way[,] it ... Sometimes lies are told because the person is trying to control a situation and exert influence over getting the decisions or reactions they want. Karma (Sanskrit) is the well-known word in English. Ajahn Nanadassano (before ordaining) : Venerable Ajahn, what is the bigest error that buddhist do in their practice? The person who is lied to suffers if they don't find out because: The person who is lied to suffers if they do find out because: Those who tell 'good lies' don't generally suffer these consequences - although they may do so on some occasions. Karmic Number 19: Selfishness. Found inside – Page 73They form close bonds with other individuals and love close contact and lying down together. Pigs are very clean, ... They are murderous people that deserve legal backlash & karmic consequences. The Special Victims Unit (SVU) is the ... Types of sins . In grossly over-simplified terms, those who follow consequentialist theories are concerned with the consequences of lying and if telling a lie would lead to a better result than telling the truth, they will argue that it is good to tell the lie. Why? This research suggests that infidelity can be a factor in the development of mental illness and can also have consequences for a person’s physical health. Found inside... (human or animal) as a wrongful act, which inevitably results in a negative karmic consequence for the agent. ... not lying, not taking intoxicants (which cloud the mind and make one susceptible to breaking the other precepts), ... A popular misconception is that the karmic structure is black and white, and that it is either good or evil. There are occasions when you may believe you’ve generated bad karma by doing an action that was performed with the best of intentions. The purpose of an action determines whether it has good or bad karma, and how it manifests. And even worse, obvious. Lying means your body stays tied up in knots and becomes highly susceptible to illness, allergies, high blood pressure and insomnia, which can all be exacerbated by lying. Found inside – Page 360... but saving the brigands from the fearsome karmic consequences of such a murderous deed, necessarily leading to rebirth in the hells. ... The brigands entered, knocked him down, smashed all his limbs and left him lying in his blood. And so the truth can be “inconvenient” because it simply does not conform to their narrative. He will soon be caught because lies have a funny way of catching up with you. Found inside – Page 47To be sure , moral and immoral behavior have karmic consequences , but compliance with moral norms should not be ... me that he knew nothing about Burmese politics , he said that he had lied only “ in the mouth , ” not “ in the mind . I believe it depends on you and your perception on life. Threatening situations don't just occur as emergencies; there can be long-term threat situations where lying will give a person a greater chance of survival. If the patient is not told the truth they cannot give 'informed consent' to the proposed course of action. Esspecially in the case of a child, the child in most cases take on the mistakenly the karma of the abuser. How do you tell if it's karmic consequences or just what life has dealt you? They lie to you because they simply believe the lie to be the truth. White lies usually include most of these features: White lies weaken the general presumption that lying is wrong and may make it easier for a person to tell lies that are intended to harm someone, or may make it easier to avoid telling truths that need to be told - for example, when giving a performance evaluation it is more comfortable not to tell someone that their work is sub-standard. Most of us would accept that an unbreakable rule against lying would be unworkable, but a more sophisticated rule (perhaps one with a list of exceptions) might be something we could live with. His Holiness the Dalai Lama once said something interesting. There are many reasons why people think lying is wrong; which ones resonate best with you will depend on the way you think about ethics. Look up words and phrases in comprehensive, reliable bilingual dictionaries and search through billions of online translations. She … In most cases of personal small scale lying there is no opportunity to do anything more than consult our own conscience - but we should remember that our conscience is usually rather biased in our favour. If there was a universal law that it was generally OK to tell lies then life would rapidly become very difficult as everyone would feel free to lie or tell the truth as they chose, it would be impossible to take any statement seriously without corroboration, and society would collapse. Some Buddhist treatises divide the causes of bad karma into ten acts: the three physical acts of killing, stealing and sexual misconduct, the four verbal acts of … The solution might be to consider what an ideal person would have done in the particular circumstances. So for example, Dickens’s Scrooge suffers from excessive acquisitiveness. By the Law of Karma, merits are acquired when we lead our lives righteously while we accumulate sins when we indulge in unrighteous acts for instance causing harm to others. Kant also taught 'Act so that the maxim of thy will can always at the same time hold good as a principle of universal legislation.' One karmic cycle is said to last 12 years, with different stages of our lives divided into karmic cycles. It deals with the spiritual lessons lying behind each karmic pattern, or with the quality of spiritual experiences and knowledge which will help us avoid other negative karmic processes.
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